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Nice start, don't really believe 25bb/100 or even higher is substainable, I'd expect 15bb/100 at most even if the average player is fishy.. but maybe you can prove me wrong
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Posted by BeMyATMplz: Nice start, don't really believe 25bb/100 or even higher is substainable, I'd expect 15bb/100 at most even if the average player is fishy.. but maybe you can prove me wrong
I certainly hope to
Stats so far (for first 2.5k) are... 24% VP, 19% PFR, 7% 3Bet, 100% CB and 35% FCB...
Interested to know how this compares to other cash players...
Posted by BeMyATMplz: Nice start, don't really believe 25bb/100 or even higher is substainable, I'd expect 15bb/100 at most even if the average player is fishy.. but maybe you can prove me wrong
In your opinion, how many hands would be required, for it to be considered sustainable? I think about 100000 hands should give a good idea, what your sustainable win rate should be. I'm a third of the way there with better than 36 bb/100, and rising. Hopefully I'll end up better than 25 bb/100...
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I personally think that 100,000 hands will give you a good idea... If you're consistently over 25bb/100 for 100,000 hands, chances are it's sustainable. (The important point being that there may very well have been an upswing in there somewhere, but not enough to account for 20+bb/100)
I'm aiming for 30-40bb/100... whether it's achievable or not, I'll soon find out....
Posted by yout85: I'm aiming for 30-40bb/100... whether it's achievable or not, I'll soon find out....
That would be awesome!
On fastforward with 4 tables on NL4 you'd probably play 1000 hands per hour. If you really get 30 bb/100, that means 300 bb per hour == $12/hour, that's almost twice the minimum wage in the US...
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Yeah, sounds good...
I would say your hands per hour is a fairly accurate figure... I'm playing half an hour at a time at the moment, with a 5 minute break... and each mini-session is around 500 hands. I have found it to be the perfect amount of time to unlock another Under the Tree gift, and clear decent chunks of my various bonuses
I wish I could play FF with a winrate like that... I'm not sure where you can find an edge, because my winrate is based on table selection, and figuring out the leaks of opponents. That won't work on FF, I fear...
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I rely almost entirely on the HUD when playing FF marqis...
Only really pay much attention to a few stats...
If their VP and PFR are virtually identical, and over 20%, I know they are raising suited connectors etc... these players I will 3-bet with any pocket pair or large Ace... A high VP, but low PFR means they are limping a lot of hands, and will likely call a raise - I find it's not worth raising them with hands such as AJ and small pairs, just see a cheap flop and go from there... anyone with a VP below 10% and a similar PFR%, I know are only playing premium... I'll call raises with any pocket pairs hoping to catch a set, but fold anything other than Aces and Kings if they 3 or 4 bet... Then my fave stat is the FCB% - Anything over 50% and I'll follow up bet regardless of the flop, anything below 25 and I won't if I miss the flop entirely.
I see... My HUD doesn't work on FF... I think I should upgrade my HEM... Still leaves table selection, which appears to be huge for me.
B.t.w. I noticed your C-Bet is 100%. This is easily exploited, since an opponent will be able to call or check/raise a wide range, without giving you any information.
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If I'm raised, I just re-evaluate the hand. If I am pretty sure I'm in front, I'll re-raise... If I feel I could be in front, or have a draw, I'll call... If I feel I'm beat, I'll fold...
You would be amazed how many pots you can take down with 67 suited after a preflop raise on a board of AKQ... The information side of things is less important. The numerous scoops with nothing more than make up for it... Plus, anyone else using a HUD will see I have 100%C-Bet, so I get paid off big when I flop monsters.
------------ ...There are times when I don't C-Bet btw... just less than 1 time in 100, so it shows as 100%
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I just do never get enough money in the pot when I have strong cards. I have just had AA and raised. I have only got one caller, who folded after I had bet the flop. I could push all in, but not many would call either.
