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Ok i missed the point of this thread, but you missed my point. I didnt say that some hands are more often then others, i said opposite that when you look at odds of hand appearing in the game they fit perfectly. It is not that some players win and others loose. Another thing they cannot control is player itself, if someone overbets the hand that he/she is destined to win he/she will eventually earn more money than someone who plays reserved, and house will again profit more from such players because they will always take the pot skyhigh. Now i see that you dont have any programming knowledge at all or at least youre not good at it. I put that say "nothing..." to point you to the way how it can be done. You can also find expression "reverse engineering" connected to that say and combined they tell you that you should do what can be done in opposite way than it is done. You start at showdown and finish with deck being shuffled, and if you had any knowledge of programming to RNG. But you dont have the data, you have statistics which are not part of my "imaginational conspiracy theory", and that theory is part of those statistics only to prove that it can be done and keep odds straight. As far as imagination is concerned without imagination we would be throwing rocks at eachother, but hey we would be doing it with exemplary precision by now, if we take into count that we would be doing it for who knows how many thousands of years longer. I dont jump from forum to forum i am the member of only 2 other forums and one is hardware/software related other i dont visit anymore. And that database massit-tanne wish for wouldnt help you see how it is done. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH STATISTICS. I said before and ill say it again. i missed the point of this thread and im sorry for that, on the other hand you missed my point and started making laugh of me without even trying to understand what i am trying to say, if youre limited in perception thats youre fault not mine and dont pin it on me. I dont think anymore that youre in mathematics at all, you pulled out some statistics and formulas from internet and think that is a limit. Oh yes and one more thing about "Anything that is POSSIBLE becomes instantly PROBABLE if that's what you want to believe" If compulsive gambler has opportunity to gamble HE WILL GAMBLE. If thief has opportunity to steal HE WILL STEAL. That is psychology and this is wrong forum.
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You really seem like a person who maybe knows something about softwares/generators that poker rooms are using... As i am very sceptical person too, it would be nice to read more of your texts about that subject. Can you show any evidence some poker rooms are cheating?
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Posted by massit-tanne: You really seem like a person who maybe knows something about softwares/generators that poker rooms are using... As i am very sceptical person too, it would be nice to read more of your texts about that subject. Can you show any evidence some poker rooms are cheating?
No he can't.
"If compulsive gambler has opportunity to gamble HE WILL GAMBLE. If thief has opportunity to steal HE WILL STEAL."
He a cynic. The sites are RIGGED because, they're Gamblers and theieves.
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LOL at evrything, rigged you say?? Well online is rigged and so is live!!!!! my K's have been up against ace's live soo many times its really not funny!!!! So many action flops i cant believe what i see most of the time. Its much easier to blame somebody else before spotting that you yourself are tha actual problem????????
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Ok man you believe what you want and i will believe what i want. I will produce evidence that some sites are rigged and some are not. How? With statistics that you love so much. There isnt any software that will pull those statistics automatically it will have to be done manually. So give me some time because i do want/need to play poker few hours a day and i am not so eager for dull and boring work like reading thru all hand histories on my HDD. Another thing is that i need to create statistics from top up because, this is conspiracy theory thinking, you cant find those statistics in any of helping programs for reasons which are partly because they wont help you analyze your play and partly(conspiracy ) because no person which makes money from online poker wants you to see those statistics. I have to establish relevant number of hands that are needed to prove anything at all. I have to go hand by hand analysis from preflop to showdown and only with hands that were played to showdown. Also some statistics, which i am currently researching, are time related so i have to play relevant number of those hands too in specific time tables and situations, that is really big work so those will wait. Im thinking, havent calculated im guessing at the moment, that relevant number of hands would be at least 5,000 showdown hands, and that is a really big number which has to multiplied by number of poker rooms. I have mentioned in other posts that i play mostly limit holdem and this is why, if anyone wondered, showdown is more likely to happen in limit than no limit games. I still have to collect enough hands on Everest poker, Titan poker, Mansion, Red kings, Gnuf. I could just open a random game and watch, thus covering more rooms but havent done that before because noone was forcing me to do it. So it will take time because i dont speculate when i say something, i mean it and in worst case im making most possible assumption, but if that is the case i say that it is my opinion(you can check that if you want just go through my posts). FACTS: Even when this is done i would need live poker play in controlled conditions to prove that some site is cheating its players with this method, and that task is out of my reach financialy. What will be proved is that some poker rooms use RNG`s which produce more action than others. What can be proved is that some sites have more winners decided on flop, turn or river, and if there is a pattern it does look suspicious and that is not my imagination.
About RNG: no i dont know which equipment exactly, any of the poker rooms are using or hardware. That is true i am assuming there. But you have to know that computer logic is same no matter what hardware and or software you use. There are boundaries how far this can be random. That is why UB has introduced Thermal sensors for creating more random numbers, ive read somewhere that party poker use some kind of audio sensors, for UB ive read it at their site. And to be honest UB has, by my opinion so far (started playing there not so long ago), most random hands ive seen.
LIVE PLAY Today is little different than it was not so long ago, at least in my country. Today casinos are using shuffling machines which i havent studied so, this is another assumption, they most likely arent rigged.
ILL SAY THIS THIRD TIME ( READ THE POST): I am not talking about A-A vs K-K, or any hand vs any hand, or what hole cards are more common than others. I am talking about action on both good and crap cards.
I AS CYNIC: You really miss not only the point but wits too. If i was any good at graphics i would make a nice little picture with text balloons so you could understand it easier. Gamblers will gamble addresses the fact that gambler will gamble even if he knows that the game is rigged. Casinos will be thieves here, they will try to squeeze as much money from the gamblers they can. This is provider - user relation which is driving force in todays world. You can read a book from time to time which has something else than only pictures in it. For start i would recommend from books ive read, the best and not only example of today world relations, it is called "Brave new world" by Aldous Huxley (1932). You should also try to read some of Noam Chomsky`s works and tell me how does that fits into your picture of the world and has it changed it. But since youre from US you probably already have a picture of Noam Chomsky as a communist anarchist ( i didnot made that term but some brainwashed manipulated journalist so dont judge me if those terms are in contradiction) and i wouldnt be surprised if they banned "Brave new world" .
PS TO ADMIN: Please increase timeout time LOL, i had to rewrite half of the post.
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