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  11-May-09, 18:21   #21
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6oraTbIpb 
Joined: Jan '09
Location: Russian Federation
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 23
5$ Big Smile because i am not good player D and 55% is good for me)

     
  11-May-09, 18:26   #22
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 6197
Posted by M3turbo:
Obv I pick D.

Finally a +1 Smile

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Posted by B1gfoot:
For me Im not in to poker for the $

I am definitly into poker for the money Big Smile
If i was after all my time was minus i think i do another hobby.
For me its the long run, i hope to go pro some time, when? Dont care, as long as it happens.

Edited by doomdy (11 May 2009 @ 18:41 GMT)


     
  11-May-09, 19:46   #23
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M3turbo 
Joined: Dec '07
Location: Denmark
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 2644
Posted by B1gfoot:
Ahh, yes but if it was not for RB then who do you choose?
If ROI includes the varient then yes we all go for D, but then its not varient.
Lets face it if in 10k games you only win 200 would you want to play?
For me Im not in to poker for the $, yes its nice but I work for that and would find it quite hard to play poker for what I earn, so i play for enjoyment, mabee that reflects my answer a bit.



I would never play without rakeback.

You need a huge sample to determine your ROI because of the variance and other factors such as tilt, connection problems etc everything that affects our profit.
Here we are told our ROI so we know we got positive expectations for our investment, the more we invest the more we win. We know how much we will win on our investment so if we lose alot at one point we know we will win alot at another point to get us to the determined ROI.

     
  11-May-09, 20:31   #24
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dunotra 

Joined: Oct '08
Location: Netherlands
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Who you want to be?


I just won't to be ME Smile

     
  11-May-09, 20:42   #25
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Fr3nChi 
Joined: Oct '08
Location: Canada
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 217
B is the best with high ROI even do A ROI is higher it's to small of a stake so B > A > D > C

     
  11-May-09, 20:59   #26
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M3turbo 
Joined: Dec '07
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Posted by dunotra:
Who you want to be?


I just won't to be ME Smile


Hehe I thought the same Smile

     
  11-May-09, 22:10   #27
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Jodoli 
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 469
I think i would like to be the player with the bigger ROI, bigger the ROI means i am a better poker player than other in sit&gos. Profit is not everything in poker, being a good poker player and improving is the most important thing to me!

     
  11-May-09, 22:19   #28
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doomdy 

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Posted by Jodoli:
I think i would like to be the player with the bigger ROI, bigger the ROI means i am a better poker player than other in sit&gos. Profit is not everything in poker, being a good poker player and improving is the most important thing to me!

On higher stakes are better players, so the bigger ROI doesnt mean the better player.
A player with 6% on $50 stakes can be a far better player then player with 25% ROI on $10 stakes.

     
  11-May-09, 23:42   #29
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Jodoli 
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 33 (M)
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Not always we can see better players in higher stakes! It really depends in the room you are playin. As I said earlier I would prefer having a bigger ROI in a lower limit. But of course playing in higher limits is always the target! Smile

     
  12-May-09, 09:13   #30
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shuggee 
Joined: Jan '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 72 (M)
Posts: 60
I've gone for A. Thats high enough stakes for me.I don't really want to play for high stakes

     
  12-May-09, 09:34   #31
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 6197
Many off you guys pick A Smile
Just to let you know here is a simple calculation wot every player makes on yearly basis:

Fact: each game every player plays they make this profit (Average):
A: $5 * 55% ROI = $2,75 + $0,12 RB = $2,87
B: $10 * 25% ROI = $2,50 + $0,24 RB = $2,74
C: $50 * 4,5% ROI = $2,25 + $1,20 RB = $3,45
D: $100 * 2% ROI= $2,00 + $2,40 RB = $4,40

So lets say every player does 20+ games a day so lets say 7000 a year Smile

So then this will be the yearly profit (incl RB):
A: $2,87 * 7,000 games = $20,090
B: $2,74 * 7,000 games = $19,180
C: $3,45 * 7,000 games = $24,150
D: $4,40 * 7,000 games = $30,800

So definitly best to pick is player D, no doubt Smile

     
  12-May-09, 10:07   #32
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GeneYuss 

Joined: Jan '08
Location: Canada
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Posts: 2697
I'd pick D for sure. You can learn more by playing good players too.

     
  12-May-09, 22:17   #33
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drewey07 
Joined: Oct '08
Location: Australia
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 17
Im not great with statistics but im going to assume the 2% ROI will yield the most cash.

The 55% ROI for 5 dollar games is massive, and sounds impressive too. Shock

     
  12-May-09, 22:30   #34
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awood88 
Joined: Feb '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 1885
Posted by doomdy:
Many off you guys pick A Smile
Just to let you know here is a simple calculation wot every player makes on yearly basis:

Fact: each game every player plays they make this profit (Average):
A: $5 * 55% ROI = $2,75 + $0,12 RB = $2,87
B: $10 * 25% ROI = $2,50 + $0,24 RB = $2,74
C: $50 * 4,5% ROI = $2,25 + $1,20 RB = $3,45
D: $100 * 2% ROI= $2,00 + $2,40 RB = $4,40

So lets say every player does 20+ games a day so lets say 7000 a year Smile

So then this will be the yearly profit (incl RB):
A: $2,87 * 7,000 games = $20,090
B: $2,74 * 7,000 games = $19,180
C: $3,45 * 7,000 games = $24,150
D: $4,40 * 7,000 games = $30,800

So definitly best to pick is player D, no doubt Smile


Doomdy if you're so adamant why ask us our opinion lol. I don't agree you only get good players at high stakes and there's plenty of rich twits who have money to burn also. I don't want care if I get rich from poker. Being a good player is more important to me than winning money although I wouldn't turn it away. I want to get rich from doing something that makes lots of people happy not broke.

     
  13-May-09, 02:38   #35
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LuigiMP 

Joined: May '09
Location: United States
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 7
D is better profit but i wouldnt want to risk that much so id go with A

     
  13-May-09, 07:14   #36
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wanted123 
Joined: May '09
Location: India
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 3
I would go for Player c beecause even the investment is high and can earn more than what we do and even we can even be assure for not loosing our money

     
  13-May-09, 18:03   #37
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Raggamann 
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Germany
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 153
well if i could play 20 table at the same time with this ROI i would prefer the 2% ROI at the 100$ averge stakes, because it would be possible to get the supernova elite status on pokerstars, that would be some nice extra money

     
  13-May-09, 18:23   #38
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B1gfoot 

Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 6714
Yep Agree awood, if it was all about the money then id put my savings in and go play HS and be happy with 2%.
The money from that is ok, but shows a fairly bad player tbh, should be min 4%, i know as M3 points out that this eg is calculated and 2% is agivin, but thats not always so, and next year when its -2% then it dont look so good.
OK player a is crushing his game thats how I want to be.
Just because more money shifts does not mean in the slightest that they are better players.
Outherwise Guy Laliberté becomes the greatest player in history.

     
  13-May-09, 21:28   #39
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xxxbchxxx 

Joined: Nov '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 2194
A: Average stake $5, ROI 55%
I find it funny how few people chose D.........is this a poker forum or not? I think a pokerplayer has to be where the best profit is END OF STORY
i aggree with this guy come on poker players... Aww crap!

     
  14-May-09, 07:57   #40
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 6197
Posted by xxxbchxxx:
I find it funny how few people chose D.........is this a poker forum or not? I think a pokerplayer has to be where the best profit is END OF STORY

For best profit u wud chose D Big Smile
Is this a poker forum or not Blink

     
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