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  12-May-09, 21:59   #1
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Fr3nChi 
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What would u rather start with. I know most ppl would rather start with AA compared to AK because it is an already made hand that is very hard to beat but it is also a harder hand to let go of and very hard to improve as u only have 2 cards that will help u and sometimes it is not enough. With AK suited u can get a flop like top pair + flush draw or even flush draw + 2 overs and my personal favorite Royal flush draw which I'm automatically all in with cuz I have a draw to the ultimate nuts, nut flush and nut str8. even if u hit nothing u can bet out because u have to over cards which is still 6outs and if u get raised or something u can actually get away. With AKos u can hit 4card nut flush and 4card 2nd nut flush. Overall AK is a heck of a drawing hand and will hit 50% of the time. The only hand u are scared off while holding AK is AA and KK and even if some1 has KK u still have 3 outs for ur A. In the other hand while holding AA if some1 hits a 2pair ur screwed, if some1 hits a pair and a str8 draw or a pair with a flush draw ur screwed as the have 14 and 15 outs. And if flop comes KcQs2s ur probably not gonna lay it down, ur probably trying to get as much money in. But some1 could have KQ which only gives u 2 outs or Ks10s which mean any spade any 10 or any K helps, and if a J comes out on the turn he now has more outs Any A any 9 any spade or any 10 or any K. What would u rather play and why ?

Edited by Fr3nChi (12 May 2009 @ 22:01 GMT)


     
  12-May-09, 22:09   #2
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drewey07 
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Is this a joke?

In the long run AA is MUCH more profitable, regardless if you get drawn out on.

     
  12-May-09, 22:09   #3
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darthtony 

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AA is better if you make the other go away at flop but AK suited make in front of you a lot of possibility but you have to remember AA is a point AK is a draw , the draw become point if you are lucky instead the AA is a point and rest a point Big Smile

     
  12-May-09, 22:21   #4
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Fr3nChi 
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Posted by drewey07:
Is this a joke?

In the long run AA is MUCH more profitable, regardless if you get drawn out on.


yes but u tend to lose big pots when u lose a pot with them and u tend to win less when u do win with them.

Posted by darthtony:
AA is better if you make the other go away at flop but AK suited make in front of you a lot of possibility but you have to remember AA is a point AK is a draw , the draw become point if you are lucky instead the AA is a point and rest a point Big Smile


yes but AA is only a pair I no it is highest pair and most of the time an overpair. AK is such a strong drawing hand that even ur oppenent is holding QQ it is basically a coin flip. AA is a very good starting the best actually but it has very little room to improve.

Don't get me wrong AA heads up anytime. But say I raise preflop person calls I bet flop unless he hits top pair or a str8 draw or a flush draw, he's not sticking around. If he does hit his draw then u have 33% chance to lose. Overall profit made in a hand with AA is much lower then overall loss with AA in a hand.

     
  12-May-09, 22:45   #5
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awood88 
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You make some valid points but AA is usually much more likely to win. I wouldn't say no to either of course and it all depends on your opponents cards.

     
  12-May-09, 22:52   #6
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magatt966 

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American Airlines is the best way to fly on poker tables Cool;
Anna Kournikova is beautiful but often lose Big Smile

     
  12-May-09, 22:53   #7
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Fr3nChi 
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Posted by awood88:
You make some valid points but AA is usually much more likely to win. I wouldn't say no to either of course and it all depends on your opponents cards.


It is more likely to win, I'm not saying it is not.
Heads up it's 86% I believe. But that 86% of times u do win with it heads up u win small pots and that 14% of the time that u lose with it u tend to lose big pots.
3way action ur % is lower and 4way even lower and so on.

Posted by magatt966:
American Airlines is the best way to fly on poker tables Cool;
Anna Kournikova is beautiful but often lose Big Smile


AK has a ~50% chance to hit an A or K on the board from flop to river.

Look I know AA is better then having AK. But I'm saying AA is hard to let go off because it always looks like u have the better hand and it has little room for improvment and AK is the best drawing hand out of all and it is much much ezier to let go.

I'm asking wut would u rather play AA or AK and explain why. I want a challenge Tongue

     
  12-May-09, 23:11   #8
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SuperNoob 

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For heads up AA is better, but with more players there are more chances to lose because ppl can have straight/ flush/2 pairs and AA gives u over confidence. for tournament games i'll prefer AK than AA.

     
  13-May-09, 00:12   #9
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fcumred 

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This has seriously got to be some kind of wind up ?

Anyone who says they would prefer to have AK is off their trolley..

Supposing you have AK and you get raised all in. What can you do.. You either rely on luck or you fold. WIth AA you have hte luxury of going all in knowing you are well well ahead..

AK is only good if you hit the flop and even then if you only hit the K you are wide open to your opponent having AA..



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I'm asking wut would u rather play AA or AK and explain why. I want a challenge Tongue


I am gobsmacked that a) you are even asking the question and b) You expect anyone to give you an answer that you cant figure out for yourself..

Its like asking what would you rather go to war with, a nuclear bomb or a feather duster.

     
  13-May-09, 00:16   #10
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Mucking 

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Wont even make a satement here why i would choose AA rather than AK

Or wait? Are the AK suited or what? Then i might consider it Big Smile

     
  13-May-09, 00:18   #11
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fcumred 

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Overall profit made in a hand with AA is much lower then overall loss with AA in a hand.


Utter utter utter rubbish....

WHere on gods earth did you get that statistic from..

I've heard some complete tosh in my life but that ranks up there with the best of them.

If you have AA you are likely to win 75% of the time.. That means you will win more times than you lose with AA. Thats a FACT...


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Posted by Fr3nChi:
. The only hand u are scared off while holding AK is AA and KK and even if some1 has KK u still have 3 outs for ur A.


Are you living in cuckoo land ?

Any pocket pair is ahead of you.

I think you miss the fact that yes, 50% of the time you will hit. You happen to forget that 50% of the time you will miss. So therefore if you were to go all in 100 times with AK against pocket 2s you would lose 50% of them.

That is not profitable.

Edited by fcumred (13 May 2009 @ 00:23 GMT)


     
  13-May-09, 02:45   #12
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jessthehuman 

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Posted by fcumred:
Overall profit made in a hand with AA is much lower then overall loss with AA in a hand.


Utter utter utter rubbish....

WHere on gods earth did you get that statistic from..

I've heard some complete tosh in my life but that ranks up there with the best of them.

If you have AA you are likely to win 75% of the time.. That means you will win more times than you lose with AA. Thats a FACT...


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Posted by Fr3nChi:
. The only hand u are scared off while holding AK is AA and KK and even if some1 has KK u still have 3 outs for ur A.


Are you living in cuckoo land ?

Any pocket pair is ahead of you.

I think you miss the fact that yes, 50% of the time you will hit. You happen to forget that 50% of the time you will miss. So therefore if you were to go all in 100 times with AK against pocket 2s you would lose 50% of them.

That is not profitable.


sort of. But the thing about having high hole cards, i.e; AK is that when against 22, even if its a 50-50 coin flip on you hitting the board. You've also got advantage on all flush draws (even if your AK is os). plus if the board has two pairs on it, say 4,4,8,8,7 then you win because their 22 doesnt matter anymore. Or if a rare quads hits the board, same thing applies.. So i think, over 100hands because of so many chances of winning other than hitting A or K i think you'd come out ahead overall

     
  13-May-09, 05:56   #13
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shokaku 

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Not really a question. Even if AK improves. It is been beaten by AA most of the time. So give me the rockets any time. If you have problems letting a hand go, play only 72o. Blink

     
  13-May-09, 07:56   #14
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MANUEDO 
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It's obvious that I prefer, as you all, AA preflop.
Lots of possibilities: check ( very dangerous ), slow play ( dangerous ), minimum raise, 3bet raise,all in and more.
I'm happy when I see AK suited preflop too, less when I bump my face against AA Big Smile

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Benvenuto,
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Al prossimo post Blink

     
  13-May-09, 08:27   #15
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Matuonmies 
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I bet he made this thread only because of mob points.
I think you should go all-in pre-flop when you have less chips than 13xBB of course its a good start.
But id rather take any of high pairs than AKs.

     
  13-May-09, 09:11   #16
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Guiron 
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Plain simple AA: if you cant lay this one down you won't win on the longterm anyway.

     
  13-May-09, 09:24   #17
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thpe94ad 

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I know that Doyle Brunson prefers AK to AA, but in an all-in situation preflop, I think everyone prefers AA

     
  13-May-09, 09:50   #18
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shuggee 
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Give me 72os any day!!

     
  13-May-09, 10:14   #19
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racpxt 
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I answered AK.
I know AA is by far more profitable. But I like to play AK. It's fun to beat weaker aces/kings with it. And it's harder to get paid with AA when another A hits on the flop, because it's likely no one else has the other one.

I also like AK because it's easy to lay down when you know you're beaten. Fold AA Sleepy , it's hard, but already done it: flop QxQ I bet strong and got raised by a weaktight.

     
  13-May-09, 12:35   #20
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acehighness 

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I love AA when its suited LMAO

     
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