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Joined: Mar '08
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Looks like ill be upsetting a few ppl. Some of you were on the right tracks, but seamd to pull out last minuit and go for the all in.
The answer should be fold: You are not getting correct odds, You have a 35% chance of hitting your flush but have to call 43% of the pot, also villian is pot commitid so you know he will push, $5,000 is enough to hurt your stack, but not enough to justify the call in terms of implied odds. You shold let this hand go, calling too many times will see you as the short stack.
Joined: Nov '08
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yeah, allin or reraise is the best I think, since you have about 16odds and even if you discount some, you'll still have>50% chance to win. Plus folding equity, I think it's profitable to go allin here
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Posted by B1gfoot: The answer should be fold: You are not getting correct odds, You have a 35% chance of hitting your flush but have to call 43% of the pot, also villian is pot commitid so you know he will push, $5,000 is enough to hurt your stack, but not enough to justify the call in terms of implied odds.
You have the ace as an overcard. So the chance of winning is higher than 35% (Unless he has AQ, two pair or better)
Joined: Mar '08
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Thats true shokaku, Im not suprised at the results shown in the poll, givin the site, also I think even a lot of big players would fail to do the "right" thing here. But some of the answers are intresting.
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if your stack is relatively small, ai here is a good move. You've got 12 odds, 2:3 odds and although thing that he didn't go allin may indicate good hand, he still can fold, so I guess it's profitable. So I think allin id good here
depends on the situation and player. if its late in the game underbetting a large pot when ur short tells me ur stealing, or have hit middle/bottom pair. i really wouldnt like to re raise simply because a short stack is probably gonna be all in no matter what assuming he has at least something. depends more on what the player is like, but ill fold 9 times in 10 and all in the other.
100% FOLD .. with this hand your obviously behind because the guys bet says you are behind, you would be the guy who is chasing and risking your stack.
Lay them down and play when you have a hand because as of right now you have nothing.
LAY IT DOWN AND KEEP YOUR CHIPS SAFE FOR A BETTER OPPERTUNITY
Reasons:
The guy could hold a heart or even 2 and one of the hearts could be the Q: resulting in the odds of a heart on the turn dropping drastically, plus how many hearts were folded pre or post flop .
The chance of hitting an A! well there are only 4 in a deck, you hold 1 of them and if the guy holds another then the odds are terrible that you will hit one of the remaining 2 ( assuming no one folded Ace rag pre or post flop)
Runner runner str8 is very unlikely to happen.
Anyone who does not lay this hand down deserves to lose there chips.
Joined: Aug '08
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I agree with fcumred
If your read on the guy is that he has you beat at the moment, the correct thing to do is call (you get the exact right odds if he is holding Qh and maybe another h). If you miss the turn and he is all in, you get 2,4-to-1 pot-odds and just a 4-1 (even a little less) to hit you h. So you then you should fold. But maybe he checks it to you to trap you, and you get a free card.
If you go all in and know he would call (and he must call, since he gets more than 3-to-1-odds) , you only get 1-to-1 pot-odds (you shove in 5000 for a 10000 pot). But you don't have a 50% chance of winning, so in the long run, this play will cost you money.
But this is if the hand is free-floating in space: you have to take blind-size, average pots, distance to the bubble etc in consideration.
Joined: Apr '09
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ok.. to all the people saying to call.. no you are not getting the right implied odds, especially if he has hearts.
i would push here in after about half a second of thought(maybe less) because:
worst case scenario he has a set of queens (VERY unlikely) which means we have 9 outs + runner runner straight approx 39 percent chance of winning?
best case he has a flush draw aswell and is semi bluffing
most likely he has a pair.. probably queens but not for certain, which means either 12 or 15 outs plus the backdoor straight which makes you a major favorite
PLUS there is the chance he will fold.. albeit unlikely
the pot odds for an all in are 1.5 to one, and i would estimate about a 43-45% chance of winning overall, which means it is the best option
if we just call we have maybe a 1 in 4 chance of improving on the turn and will be getting maybe 1.6 to one implied odds --> very bad equity
you can fold if you don't want to take the risk, or have psychic powers and know which cards are coming
best play is to re raise all in. second best play is to fold. re raising any value other than all in isnt good, because he is extremely pot committed and will most likely push or maybe even just call and wait till the turn to see if a flush comes up, and then push.
calling is just plain bad.. sorry
at the above poster: there is 2500 already in the pot which means you are getting 7500:5000 odds.. not 5000:5000 (or 12500:5000 instead of 10000:5000, however you want to look at it)
