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Of course this way out for you was shocking, but is his preflop call really so bad. After flop it is nearly 50:50 or not? I have not much poker skills, so I am very interested in it...
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why is Ak always such a suckout hand.if you dont hit the flop,you in all sortsof trouble.felt so much pain with this hand.nowdays i learn to fold it allot,saves me heaps of cash.
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Posted by twinsun: Of course this way out for you was shocking, but is his preflop call really so bad. After flop it is nearly 50:50 or not? I have not much poker skills, so I am very interested in it...
I make a raise early position. I bet pot with 3 spades on flop he cant call, allmost easy laydown.
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Posted by doomdy: Wots wrong with that just standard
What?
Do you really bet 1/4 of your chips with AKo and give up if you miss the flop? You are down to 19BB. There is no more room to play after the flop. You have one limper allready in the pot. For me this is a no brainer push with AK in that spot.
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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by doomdy: Wots wrong with that just standard
What?
Do you really bet 1/4 of your chips with AKo and give up if you miss the flop? You are down to 19BB. There is no more room to play after the flop. You have one limper allready in the pot. For me this is a no brainer push with AK in that spot.
So push with Ako early position and wait and see wot happens Eurmmm right.....
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Posted by doomdy: You did read right 75/150 blinds?
Yep. You raised 1/4 of your stack. (That is the problem)
Do you really want to give up that chips if you miss the flop, or are you forced to continue with the hand anyway? If last, you will end all-in anyway. So push preflop to max your fold equity.
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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by doomdy: You did read right 75/150 blinds?
Yep. You raised 1/4 of your stack. (That is the problem)
Do you really want to give up that chips if you miss the flop, or are you forced to continue with the hand anyway? If last, you will end all-in anyway. So push preflop to max your fold equity.
Well, i dont think allin preflop is bad play btw if i was shorter its a 1 go. The way i played it is just standard and not bad play (imo). You can check the books just standard, its just how comvertible u are with ur stack at that time.
When u shove ur saying ''I dont want any callers'' Its weak. When u raise preflop ur saying ''Call me, ill bust u!'' Its must stronger.
But again, its just how comvertable u feel with ur stack at that time.
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Posted by shokaku: We have seen how strong it was for your opponent.
Do you really think he has called a push with QJ, sooted or not?
Hmmmmm, thats not really fair point do u think? You can play hands perfectly and loose. You can play hands horrible and win.
I am not saying shove allin preflop is bad play. Wot i did is just standard, if i was shorter yes i had to shove, for now i did feel comvertable with my stack, some players shove with M=30 some with M=7.
''Do you really think he has called a push with QJ?'' is a pretty poor comment imo. So i just have to push every cards to get no callers? So less chanche on a badbeat? In this case if i pushed i problably won the hand true, that doesnt mean i played it badly right? Like i said, you can win horrible played hands and loose good played hands.
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I just think that betting 1/4 of our stack does commit us to the hand. And if i end up all-in anyway, i want to see my chips go in the middle when i have most equity and i can max my fold equity.
If you are able to sacrifice the 1/4 of our chips, you may view the hand differently.
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doomdy sorry cant get the tabulation right but this might help!
no one has raised before you
There were raises before or after you#
You are in ... You play .. Early Position JJ, QQ, KK, AA and AK Middle Position 99, TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA, AQ, AK Late Position or the Blinds 77, 88, 99, TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA, KQ, AJ, AQ, and AK
You raise to 4 big blinds + 1 big blind for every player that entered the hand before you.
Who raised? You go All-In with ...
Exactly one player has raised before you JJ, QQ, KK, AA and AK There was more than 1 raise before you KK and AA There was a raise behind you TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA, and AK
If there was a raise in front of you or behind you, you go directly all-in. If your hand isn‘t listed as being playable in the given situation, you fold it.
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Posted by doomdy: But seriously wud you call my pot bet on flop with 3 spades?
Yep. A flopped flush is unlikely and your bet stinks. Why on earth do you bet only the pot, and just 600-700 chips behind? Bet less or go all-in here. Your bet has c-bet written all over it.
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