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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by doomdy: But seriously wud you call my pot bet on flop with 3 spades?
Yep. A flopped flush is unlikely and your bet stinks. Why on earth do you bet the only the pot, and just 600-700 chips behind? Bet less or go all-in here. Your bet has c-bet written all over it.
Call/reraise that with QJo.... So many hands can beat this.... I giv up..... Ill try another forum......
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A flush draw is not a flush, domdy, and the other guy had something (top pair would scare me with a suited flop but...). And both of you were getting short stacked so i believe he did what he did to see if you fold or if you were bluffing, and you havent had the odd on your side when you needed most.
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I don't think you played this hand perfect but I get what you're saying. I think your raise preflop was fine and he should have folded his hand then. You made a mistake by just making a pot sized bet on the flop. It should have been all in or a smaller bet, personally I'd be all in for the fold equity. I agree that there's no way he should call with top pair. You could easily have AQ and he has no back up. He is either dominated cos you can't have less than QJ or he's in a race against any spade. your hand was the best situation he could hope for so imo his applied odds are very bad.
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Let's see.... You raise before the flop and I believe you are making the right decision not to go all-in right away. Your opponent have around 20 BB's. I think raising is good here. All-in should only be a solution if you feel you are either bad after flop or simply acknowledge that your oppenent is a better player.
But in order to advise you correctly it isn't pointless to know where exactly in the tournament your are. Close to prizes or a long way from prizes?
Your afterflop play is terrible (sorry)
You either go all-in or make a continuationbet only half the pot to see where you stand. In your case I may even bet smaller than half the pot, because you don't want to commit yourself to the pot. Afterall you missed the flop.
When you make that bet, your opponent has to either fold or go all-in because of his stacksize. I believe betting the pot was completely unnecessary. You don't achieve anything betting the extra 800 chips. Save them for one last all-in at least. Just by calling your opponent could have had a pair from the beginning. Avoiding a K and A on the flop make it a fine opportunity for him to push lets see with snowmen. My point isthat in your position I can't see why I would believe I was ahead after the flop. So bluffing is your only chance. And if he missed the flop a small bet would make him fold if you were close to prizes.
If not, well then he might try bluffing you all-in regardless of what he had. But still you have the opportunity to go out by only making a small bet. Your decision whether to go all-in or make a small continuationbet should also rely on your read of the opponent. If he is weak make the small bet.... If he is normally aggressive and willing to play many pots then an all-in push would be correct even if your lost at the end.
Typical donk move of that QJ guy... "he probably got the nut flush here, but I must push allin with my top pair, no matter if I lose...hihi" 50$ buyin MTT? Unbelievable crap play by that guy, every better/semi-pro poker player would know its not worth risking the whole stack on THAT flop.
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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by doomdy: But seriously wud you call my pot bet on flop with 3 spades?
Yep. A flopped flush is unlikely and your bet stinks. Why on earth do you bet only the pot, and just 600-700 chips behind? Bet less or go all-in here. Your bet has c-bet written all over it.
+1
Damn straight, if I were in his position, I'd assume you hadn't hit the flush, if you had 2 spades, you'd probably wait for him to donk his chips over to you, no point risking scaring him away. You're bet indicated you probably hadn't hit or had a draw only.In his position he HAD hit and probably knew you didn't have a completed flush.
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Posted by KingEraiser: ^you play horrible....why you call then his all in?? do you have no skills to fold 1 hand,,,,you risk your stack for 1DRAW...so your play sux...
This call is a must. ~600 in a pot of ~5000 is a no brainer with the nutflushdraw and two overs. The problems are earlier in the hand.
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Posted by KingEraiser: ^you play horrible....why you call then his all in?? do you have no skills to fold 1 hand,,,,you risk your stack for 1DRAW...so your play sux...
Lol, now i remember you I know why ur offended by me lol. See you at my table donky Ready to take ur money again sweety
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by twinsun: Of course this way out for you was shocking, but is his preflop call really so bad. After flop it is nearly 50:50 or not? I have not much poker skills, so I am very interested in it...
I make a raise early position. I bet pot with 3 spades on flop he cant call, allmost easy laydown.
If U bet a pot on a wet board with suits, I call U for sure.
If U valuebet and bet less, I fold
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Posted by Flangel:
Posted by doomdy:
Posted by twinsun: Of course this way out for you was shocking, but is his preflop call really so bad. After flop it is nearly 50:50 or not? I have not much poker skills, so I am very interested in it...
I make a raise early position. I bet pot with 3 spades on flop he cant call, allmost easy laydown.
If U bet the pot on a wet board with suits, I call U for sure.
If U valuebet and bet less, I fold
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Posted by mcsnakey765: hey u played AK and not push pre flop?
can i vs please stars HU its up to you?
AK sux Stays a drawing hand. Pushing AK is UBERSPEWISH and only for spewtards that don't know how to play AK, unless ur in a tournament and SS.
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Posted by mcsnakey765: hey u played AK and not push pre flop?
can i vs please stars HU its up to you?
Yeh no problem but not on stars only PKR, i have a reload to clear, so its $10 or higher and we play 50 matches if its ok with you? 50 matches is a nice sample dont ya think?
