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very nice result jess though bad you couldnt take the first spot. been there when you are tired and owning your opponent by small ball and then you think lets crush him with this hand and you are out. hope you wont blow them all on cash games
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bump
results from today, another 4 FTs incl a bink + a place in another. Played 7 games, so v happy with profits.
07 August, 2011 (R) Shanghai Nights (Speed) Hold'em NL $ 20 1 of 106 $ 561 06 August, 2011 Break Thru Hold'em NL $ 5 3 of 41 $ 17 06 August, 2011 (R) The Lock-In (Rebuy) Hold'em NL $ 3 8 of 165 $ 49 06 August, 2011 (R) Deeper & Steeper Hold'em NL $ 12 26 of 250 $ 26 06 August, 2011 (R) Late Night (6 seater) Hold'em NL $ 30 5 of 153 $ 260
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Posted by SuperNoob: hope you wont blow them all on cash games
LOL yeah.. thats right.. if I really have to try hard(er) not to hit up the high(er) limit tables, I do OK up to about nl100 and I'm rolled OK for that, but if I start playing nl200/400/600 its normally cause I'm tilting + I aren't rolled for those games.. Anyway, hopefully I'll stick to what I know. also - according to sharkscope, I really need to lay off the SNGs lol.
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Posted by jovicakralj: Dont throw away money on cash games
as above
thanks for comment too
Edited by jessthehuman (07 August 2011 @ 03:08 GMT)
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by retribution: Congrats on the big cashes. Just curious, what was first place worth in the open?
I really don't get why PKR doesn't have the "make a deal" option for final tables. When I found that out I was absolutely shocked and appalled.
As seen in my pic (lol) 1st place is $1840. So fairly significant, certainly was worth battling 45min for and really spewing I lost in the end, partly due to bad luck and partly I got really tired and made a stupid call that was just slack (just no reason to take the spot I did, calling what I thought was a huge bluff, which ended up being a huge value bet lol). I had a massive edge on him playing small ball and I should have stuck to that.
Regarding "make a deal", it is something that may be done further down the track, PKR is notoriously slow with implementing new features, it took them literally years to bring auto-reload to the cash tables. But it is (making a deal) something they have said may be implemented in future versions..
Personally, I would rarely use this feature, if you check my MTT results on PKR (open to public) I have a very high conversion rate in MTTs for getting to 1st place from HU.. I think my ratio of wins to 2nds is like 5:1 in favour of wins, something like that. However, I would have taken a deal today since I had quite literally been playing poker and drinking heavily for 14hrs straight, no kidding. I was totally effing zonked.
So to me it sounds like you're very much a MTT beast. How sharp would you say your heads up game is?
Only reason I ask is I tend to find that most MTT players say that their biggest shortcoming is their HU game.
*Edit* actually SS'd you, your SNG graph is absolutely gross lol, definately seems like that's not your strong suit, your MTT graph seems pretty solid though.
Edited by retribution (07 August 2011 @ 06:51 GMT)
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^ yeah, my HU game is actually pretty good.. SNG graph is shite because when I feel like donking out I tend to do it on SNG, I'm actually not as bad at them as the graph might indicate lol. HU though I am pretty good, I've played a lot of HU and it definitely isn't a weak point for me in MTT. I have won far more MTTs than I've placed 2nd in, look me up on P.K.R profiles.
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Congratulations on the nice cashes Jess and thanks for sharing your success stories with us, gives the rest of us some hope! Am hoping to find the time soon to play a bit more MTT, but I think that will only happen come October. Anyways, keep up the good results.
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here is latest SS graph for MTT, after todays cashes.
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I'll continue to update this thread, for anyone who is interested in my PKR MTT adventures lol.
Might post some interesting hands next time. Like to get some opinions sometimes.
Probably can't play any MTT until Wednesday though, as I am working Mon/Tues
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Posted by mahdrof: Am hoping to find the time soon to play a bit more MTT
Yeah, I am lucky in that respect, I work 3 days a week (8hr shifts) + full time student, however - I do my studies at an "online university"; meaning I choose my own timetable. Generally what I do is set my alarm for 4am or something, register in around 10 MTTs and then play until about 1pm or so.. Then still have plenty of the day left for study + time with girlfriend.
------------ I cashed out $90 worth of BRM points last sunday (thanks to mob safe) to Party Poker, haven't received in account yet, I think because holiday time in Europe ?
However, once I get that I'll register for the full $90 in Party MTTs, probably around the $5-$10 range, be interested to see how I run on another site.
With P.K.R I have been there a couple years now and know a lot of the $10-$30 MTTs regs there and I know a lot of the fish too lol. So my game on P.K.R I am sure benefits from this knowledge of opponents, particularly those I have helpful notes for (though most of my notes are unhelpful like "douchebag donkey prik" .
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Posted by jovicakralj:
Posted by jessthehuman: (though most of my notes are unhelpful like "douchebag donkey prik" .
I have that sort of notes too
haha. It can be really mis-leading.
e.g; I'll be really drunk and somebody will bluff, I call and they hit a 2-outter or something, so I tag them and put a fish icon on them and right "complete donkey idiot". And you know then, I'll play them again a month later and of course they're a solid player and I just happened to catch them bluffing one time, so I'll call some huge value bet with like middle pair or something thinking I'm good lol.
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PKR PWNAGE ! (PWNAGE definition: Pure Ownage as used in online gaming to stress your superiority on all levels. Spawned from the root word pwn, which originated as a misspelling of the word own. Hence this stupid word is two screw-ups away from anything close to english)
No mail from PKR yet offering you to be one of their Pros? You are really crushing those MTT now.
I´ll pay $5 a pop for your MTT videos right now!
Seriously, how the hell are you doing this lately? You must have changed something in your game this year, no? From around game 400+ your winnings skyrocket, and you weren´t playing that many MTT before, if I remember correctly?
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Posted by IslandJack: Seriously, how the hell are you doing this lately? You must have changed something in your game this year, no? From around game 400+ your winnings skyrocket
Yeah, I did study the game a bit at that point. To be brief, the main change in my game was I take a lot more risks now, I used to fold more and get min-cashes etc, but lots of min-cashes leads to a graph like how mine was up to that point, slowly going down since you can't maintain buyins on min-cashes (unless you min cash every game lol).
These days I am a lot more willing to risk my stack if it means building a monster stack for the times I hit.. Mostly I achieve this style of play by registering in about 10 games (starting over a say 3hr span) so there'll be maybe 4-7 tables at once, depending how long i last in the early games and the promise of more games starting every 20min or so.. I stop focusing on getting ITM that way and start playing the bigger picture.. It actually makes me laugh when I see someone lose to a beat or something and they lose their s**t about it, whereas if I'm playing lots of games at once it doesn't really phase me, I get bad beat, I give bad beat, I see the variance practically in real-time.
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by IslandJack: Seriously, how the hell are you doing this lately? You must have changed something in your game this year, no? From around game 400+ your winnings skyrocket
Yeah, I did study the game a bit at that point. To be brief, the main change in my game was I take a lot more risks now, I used to fold more and get min-cashes etc, but lots of min-cashes leads to a graph like how mine was up to that point, slowly going down since you can't maintain buyins on min-cashes (unless you min cash every game lol).
These days I am a lot more willing to risk my stack if it means building a monster stack for the times I hit.. Mostly I achieve this style of play by registering in about 10 games (starting over a say 3hr span) so there'll be maybe 4-7 tables at once, depending how long i last in the early games and the promise of more games starting every 20min or so.. I stop focusing on getting ITM that way and start playing the bigger picture.. It actually makes me laugh when I see someone lose to a beat or something and they lose their s**t about it, whereas if I'm playing lots of games at once it doesn't really phase me, I get bad beat, I give bad beat, I see the variance practically in real-time.
I get that. Just wondering what the "study" involved, so much out there. Reading "let there be range" right now, unfortunately the ranges in the lower stakes are often virtually nonexistant.
No more bankroll sufficient to play decent tourneys since I lost my FT account. So I´m playing too low again and I hate it.
I´ve been trying what you say early on last month, but variance is hitting me HARD lately. Makes me think of your earlier post on varience in a lifetime and the losing player/winning player thing. It´s halved my bankrolls on 3 sites already.
Down to about 75% loss on the top 3 pairs for example. I see AA KK or QQ and I cringe... Much prefer J9 or almost any other pair, because I have to go for it with those top cards statistically (QQ is slighly different), but that damn varience! (just read my Party thread from this morning, this has become the standard for me now)
And as my bankrolls shrink, so do my possible buy-ins. Feel like I´m whining, but it takes the fun out of the game when you get hit too hard and too much. (and it´s NOT that I don´t know how to play those big hands, as you well know)
Varience can be a bitch.
besides that, still interested to know what the "study" involved.
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Posted by IslandJack: I get that. Just wondering what the "study" involved, so much out there. Reading "let there be range" right now, unfortunately the ranges in the lower stakes are often virtually non xistant.
Well, not so much books, just reading up on forums, strategy sections and such. I've read "Kill Everyone" - but this was after I had already picked up my game quite a bit, but is definitely a good read and helped me on a couple things in my game. Also watched railed some good P.K.R players and something clicked in my head; if it wasn't for their results and sharkscope scores, I would peg most of them as aggro-donks.. It's a pretty fine line I think. It really comes down to picking the right spots and the right people.
Posted by IslandJack: No more bankroll sufficient to play decent tourneys since I lost my FT account. So I´m playing too low again and I hate it.
That sucks man. I'm lucky with Tilt; my account got suspended a couple years ago because other people in my house had an account as well, I sent some documents to verify it, but then they also wanted everyone else as well and I couldn't be fkd, by then I'd started playing on P.K.R a bit and didn't really care enough, but I did like tilt and could easily have ended up with a roll there instead.
Posted by IslandJack: Feel like I´m whining, but it takes the fun out of the game when you get hit too hard and too much.
Man - I get cranky when I don't cash in a single game for like 3-4days, if I got a serious-run bad I'd lose my s**t.
Posted by IslandJack: besides that, still interested to know what the "study" involved.
Yeah - as I say; a fairly holistic approach, no single thing. And as I am sure you know - there is no "magic formula" even the books you read, you pick up an idea here or there, but mostly everyone has there own style. For me the biggest thing was definitely getting my head around aggression. It is tricky because as I say above, there is a fine line between being a complete donk and being a winning player.. I guess you would call it calculated-aggression, knowing when to 3bet-lite, etc.
Personally, I need to work on my ring game; I've got some massive leaks, I'm currently reading "professional no-limit holdem", seems good so far, so I'm hoping it will help my game. I also downloaded a copy of that "let there be range", haven't read much yet, but as you mention, I think at the stakes play at, the book is a lot less relevant.
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Posted by jessthehuman: Yeah - as I say; a fairly holistic approach, no single thing. And as I am sure you know - there is no "magic formula" even the books you read, you pick up an idea here or there, but mostly everyone has there own style. For me the biggest thing was definitely getting my head around aggression. It is tricky because as I say above, there is a fine line between being a complete donk and being a winning player.. I guess you would call it calculated-aggression, knowing when to 3bet-lite, etc.
Aggression is the biggest issue IMO. Once you have the game down, the "tricks" some "reads" etc. etc. The biggest "fine line" variable is the aggression factor for me.
I was hitting that line "semi-perfectly" a few months back, and when I came back after a few weeks in Belgium I got hit hard for a week, and now that line is a blurr. Negative varience really fucks you up in that respect. I started folding more after getting hit in the head too many times, and that just doesn´t work. So I "upped" the agression factor again, 3-betting, calling more on draws, etc. and then my bankrolls took a beating. I´m trying not to let it affect my game, but ANYTHING psycholical obviously has an impact on your aggression style/play.
I stay away for a few days, and when I pick up the game again like today, BOOM!, got sucked out in every Tournament I played today. And it´s not like I´m going all-in on a whim. You saw some of the hands i got busted with, and it´s always the same. Completely destroys your confidence, not so much my reads, but that "fine line" is nowhere to be found for me right now. I´m now Tilting regularly, and that´s never happened to me before. I seem to be approaching every hand from a very negative perspective, and I think that´s creating a "self-fullfilling" prophecy kind of situation. Weird...and depressing...
I used to read about some Pros hitting a year-long downswing and not cashing at all, and saying to myself, how is that possible? I think I´m starting to realize exactly how that is possible with all the factors involved. I just hope it won´t be my case for long anymore, or I might end up throwing my PC screen right out the window.
...and take up knitting.
PS: I didn´t even post here much because I didn´t want to be a "whining" idiot, but now I´ve decided I need to vent and post this stuff. Might help.
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by IslandJack: I get that. Just wondering what the "study" involved, so much out there. Reading "let there be range" right now, unfortunately the ranges in the lower stakes are often virtually non xistant.
Well, not so much books, just reading up on forums, strategy sections and such. I've read "Kill Everyone" - but this was after I had already picked up my game quite a bit, but is definitely a good read and helped me on a couple things in my game. Also watched railed some good P.K.R players and something clicked in my head; if it wasn't for their results and sharkscope scores, I would peg most of them as aggro-donks.. It's a pretty fine line I think. It really comes down to picking the right spots and the right people.
Posted by IslandJack: No more bankroll sufficient to play decent tourneys since I lost my FT account. So I'm playing too low again and I hate it.
That sucks man. I'm lucky with Tilt; my account got suspended a couple years ago because other people in my house had an account as well, I sent some documents to verify it, but then they also wanted everyone else as well and I couldn't be fkd, by then I'd started playing on P.K.R a bit and didn't really care enough, but I did like tilt and could easily have ended up with a roll there instead.
Posted by IslandJack: Feel like I'm whining, but it takes the fun out of the game when you get hit too hard and too much.
Man - I get cranky when I don't cash in a single game for like 3-4days, if I got a serious-run bad I'd lose my s**t.
Posted by IslandJack: besides that, still interested to know what the "study" involved.
Yeah - as I say; a fairly holistic approach, no single thing. And as I am sure you know - there is no "magic formula" even the books you read, you pick up an idea here or there, but mostly everyone has there own style. For me the biggest thing was definitely getting my head around aggression. It is tricky because as I say above, there is a fine line between being a complete donk and being a winning player.. I guess you would call it calculated-aggression, knowing when to 3bet-lite, etc.
Personally, I need to work on my ring game; I've got some massive leaks, I'm currently reading "professional no-limit holdem", seems good so far, so I'm hoping it will help my game. I also downloaded a copy of that "let there be range", haven't read much yet, but as you mention, I think at the stakes play at, the book is a lot less relevant.
Agreed, at the micros you'll drive yourself nuts trying to establish a hand range for players at the micros.
I tend to pay more attention to my HUD stats and class players based on that. It goes without saying that a typically "tight" player with a VPIP of 20 and an AF of 2 starts firing bets at you, you need to stop and think, whereas its harder to take someone whos got the stats of an agro donk serious.
If you wanna focus on your ring game and you dont already have it, get leak buster. I have never had more love for 1 piece of software than I do for the HEM/Leak Buster/Sit n go wizard package. Seriously that suite has changed my game dramatically and given me a much deeper insight.
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Wow, that is one damn impressive prize pool. Glad the drinking and lack of sleep didn't affect your performance to negatively. Are tournaments with high buy ins like that usually low on the number of players? Keep up the good work.
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Posted by Arithmajik: Wow, that is one damn impressive prize pool. Glad the drinking and lack of sleep didn't affect your performance to negatively. Are tournaments with high buy ins like that usually low on the number of players? Keep up the good work.
P.k.R is relatively low on traffic..The PKR Open is the regular daily "big game" for the mid-stake marker. Other $20 games around the peak time dont fill that much, more likely around 100-160 runners.. Off peak more like 75-100.
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Posted by retribution:If you wanna focus on your ring game and you dont already have it, get leak buster. I have never had more love for 1 piece of software than I do for the HEM/Leak Buster/Sit n go wizard package. Seriously that suite has changed my game dramatically and given me a much deeper insight.
Yeah - currently there is no working HUD for PKR. Well, there HEM supports 1 table and even then it doesn't do it very well. But whole point of a HUD is to gain insight when multi-tabling. If I'm only playing one table, I can get more information just from watching my opponents.
So, I am kind of hesitant to purchase HEM when I am going to be missing a large part of the functionality.. However, in saying that, given how easy I can donk off $500+ at the cash tables in a matter of minutes, I suppose I should buy HEM really..
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Posted by IslandJackS: I didn't even post here much because I didn't want to be a "whining" idiot, but now I've decided I need to vent and post this stuff. Might help.
yeah vent for sure, anyway - you're respected enough on BRM that nobody is going to think that anyway.
Edited by jessthehuman (08 August 2011 @ 04:10 GMT)
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Again nice result with the bink, keep playing like that and with great great patience more and better results will come. Don't loose urself in overagressiv play, we know wot happened with TheSqueeze, he had uber results and great scope but lost himself in too much convidence and too much agression, then he went busto and for wot I know he still trying to set his game back.
Most important for MTT players is consistency, look at Rocken, allways playing the same game also after a downswing, allthough nowadays he doesn't have many dows lol. Also Kusken777 won the masters after ahorrible year where he didn't win much.
Anyway Jess keep goin, nice to see a player gettin better, formerly playin phases low limit ect, now better and hopefully more better in future.
