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Hi mobsters,
In my first post i'd to share with you that all poker places are rigged. All those that say in million hands you'll have average of starting hand are most likely right and statistics agrees with them. I'm not pro player at all but when your balance is bouncing between $20 and $60 up and down from your first steps and after learning poker for half a year nothing changes. Only thing I can see is that as I'm improving on more suitable moments bad beats are arriving. I've played 60k hands on NL2 and NL4 tables (and another 40k hands on other sites) and probably more than 100k hands in freerolls on various poker sites. I'd say that they studied my case and found out that they are not getting money from my wallet (I wouldn't be here without no deposit bonuses). So best solution for them is to keep me in some money range to make rake for them and higher number of online players. For other players they find other solutions and few chosen can also win something. This are things that can be measured but cards an tables not really (since you maybe see 20% of dealt cards???). I'm not naming any sites because I think they are all the same with difference that some sites are able to mask it much better than others.
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if u re not improving is just as simple as it sound ...Change u re style & if u don t have patient give up on poker is not for all ,i had almost same thinking in my first year with lot of controversess but i ve learned so much more from past years so yea ..now i enjoi & love poker oh ,forgot... wellcome in our comunity ,now u re a mobster
Here is one moment: This a game. You'll lose 70% of all hands and win 30% . But when you can't play, you'll fold that hands And if you play good, you'll win also with crappy hands too (when bluff) I play because I love this game, not for money or anythig else. Sometimes I play with my friens homegames and there some situation as at online tables. Homegames are rigged too??
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Posted by uno1Bomber: Sometimes I play with my friens homegames and there some situation as at online tables. Homegames are rigged too??
In this case you have to ask yourself: do my friends have a reason not to let me go beyond the $20 - $60 bankroll? if they do then i'm sorry but it's probably rigged too
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I must say I don't know if online poker is rigged or not, but I do know I enjoy playing and that I have a job in which I make my living. So as long as I keep that perspective in mind the times I do win prevents me from depositing as often. I don't play to win big, but some games provide the opportunity. If I ever win enough worth cashing out great and if not fine.
Since I do go up and down from $20 to $150 from time to time I might average $10 a week in losses which actually saves me money I'd otherwise waste doing something else.
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Posted by bolhec5: Hi mobsters,
In my first post i'd to share with you that all poker places are rigged. All those that say in million hands you'll have average of starting hand are most likely right and statistics agrees with them. I'm not pro player at all but when your balance is bouncing between $20 and $60 up and down from your first steps and after learning poker for half a year nothing changes. Only thing I can see is that as I'm improving on more suitable moments bad beats are arriving. I've played 60k hands on NL2 and NL4 tables (and another 40k hands on other sites) and probably more than 100k hands in freerolls on various poker sites. I'd say that they studied my case and found out that they are not getting money from my wallet (I wouldn't be here without no deposit bonuses). So best solution for them is to keep me in some money range to make rake for them and higher number of online players. For other players they find other solutions and few chosen can also win something. This are things that can be measured but cards an tables not really (since you maybe see 20% of dealt cards???). I'm not naming any sites because I think they are all the same with difference that some sites are able to mask it much better than others.
Thanks for reading and good luck at tables
Hush, don't speak When you spit your venom, keep it shut I hate it When you hiss and preach About your new messiah 'cause your theories catch fire
I can't find those silver linings I don't mean to judge But when you read your speech, it's tiring Enough is enough
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.....PokerStars is about to celebrate it's 100,000,000,000th hand. Can you imagine how much work would be involved in rigging them, so a specific player wins, or loses?
It's a ludicrous statement, and I'm not gonna waste my time by replying to this thread.
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Posted by yout85: .....PokerStars is about to celebrate it's 100,000,000,000th hand. Can you imagine how much work would be involved in rigging them, so a specific player wins, or loses?
It's a ludicrous statement, and I'm not gonna waste my time by replying to this thread.
....oh crap.
I hope you're right and I'm wrong... I have a bit of programming experience and it's not a problem to rig software a bit so it doesn't show anomalies in your starting hands but still messes a lot with your games. I don't have any proofs that this is true and I think you can't give me any proof that would convince me that I'm totally wrong.
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Posted by lukasb: So this means you will stop playing online poker and start spending your time doing something else right? Well good luck to you then and goodbye!
No I'll play until I burn all no deposit bonuses I can get, but I'm not investing my money...
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Posted by bolhec5: I have a bit of programming experience and it's not a problem to rig software a bit so it doesn't show anomalies in your starting hands but still messes a lot with your games.
I'm actually an employed Software Developer and Programmer (professional). And it is certainly not hard to rig the software, however - it is literally impossible to do so in a way that it won't show anomalies. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either it's statistically significant or it isn't and if it isn't then it will have no affect on the companies profit and if it is then it will show under analyse. This is why thinking major online poker-rooms are rigged is fucking stupid.
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Posted by bolhec5: Hi mobsters,
In my first post i'd to share with you that all poker places are rigged. All those that say in million hands you'll have average of starting hand are most likely right and statistics agrees with them. I'm not pro player at all but when your balance is bouncing between $20 and $60 up and down from your first steps and after learning poker for half a year nothing changes. Only thing I can see is that as I'm improving on more suitable moments bad beats are arriving. I've played 60k hands on NL2 and NL4 tables (and another 40k hands on other sites) and probably more than 100k hands in freerolls on various poker sites. I'd say that they studied my case and found out that they are not getting money from my wallet (I wouldn't be here without no deposit bonuses). So best solution for them is to keep me in some money range to make rake for them and higher number of online players. For other players they find other solutions and few chosen can also win something. This are things that can be measured but cards an tables not really (since you maybe see 20% of dealt cards???). I'm not naming any sites because I think they are all the same with difference that some sites are able to mask it much better than others.
Thanks for reading and good luck at tables
Well after playing so many hands and actually no profit you say the sites are rigged.
And after so many hands played you decide to post this on the forum...
Ever thought about reading some theory, discuss or evaluate your play....
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I dont believe that it is possible to win longterm with the right game style in online poker. To much suckouts versus a lot of different players and the gaming fee make it impossible to win. The best chance is to win in one big tournament.
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Posted by bolhec5: I don't have any proofs that this is true and I think you can't give me any proof that would convince me that I'm totally wrong.
there is an old member of 2p2 named spadebidder, check out his site. thats best proof you'll get. . and like jess said its almost impossible to rig the site to extent you claim and get away with it. statistics is not algebra, unless u knw the basics u'll most likely get it wrong.
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Posted by DaCapo71: I dont believe that it is possible to win longterm with the right game style in online poker.
It's definitely possible - but it is a whole lot harder than most people seem to think. People simply don't realise just how huge RAKE actually is, rake makes it nearly impossible to win at online poker, it IS possible, but it is extremely difficult and VERY unlikely if people don't read a lot of theory, mathematics, etc.
Posted by DaCapo71: The best chance is to win in one big tournament.
For most people, this is a far more likely scenario for becoming a winning player - just get lucky in a big tourney.
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i seriously consider naming my child (if it's a boy)- Rigtard. for now i am content with calling my rabbit like that.
crap everything is so rigged, i have the evidence- but when i try to upload them to show the world the "most epic rigged operations in mankind" stars just delete all the files: i'm sure it's some sort of virus i installed with the software...
but i ve learned so much more from past years so yea ..now i enjoi & love 
