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How much count the luck ?  +1   
Ok this is a stupid question , expecially here in this forum but i want to know how much count !

i've tried to think "poker is a psicological game ! poker is a skill game !" but every time i've QQ and i go all-in an the other with k2 goes all-in too and then he took a pair of k i can think only to the luck !

damned luck ! (and when you are that Donk .... Good God of luck Big Smile )

so what do you think about it ?

     
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Skill only ----> 0% luck.

     
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try omaha high and low plenty of donks 100% f luck Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!

this is fish land

     
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ofcoure you need luck in poker for example u hawe in hand 10 J flop came there fell 9 A 8 that means u almost hawe street en to get street u need luck or im wrong explain for me haw u can get street with skill ill try it to then u just hawe to tell me haw u use skill to get street xD Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
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Posted by doomdy:
Skill only ----> 0% luck.


on long term it may be a low rate. but more than 0 definitely.

     
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i agree with u 75% u play skill en u need 25% luck Cool

     
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If you see luck as a favourable statistical swing (which it is!), then luck definitely plays an important role in the game. I voted 50%.

     
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Hello everybody!
Luck is not everything in poker nearby. But I'm not against having more it would help lol Big Smile . And above all, have on hand in paying the final tables for example Dollar Dollar

See you soon for new posts lol! Cool

     
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Lol who said 100% Big Smile

i didn't thought tha there was someone who voted for that Big Smile

     
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@ darthtony lol must be the guy who killed my Ks all in with j10 dirty dog u Big Smile

     
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Posted by darthtony:
every time i've QQ and i go all-in an the other with k2 goes all-in too and then he took a pair of k i can think only to the luck !
so what do you think about it ?


i think basicly its a skill game but the factor luck has definatly a voice. for me luck = stupidity except someone has outs/odds to call. so in my opinion its not the luck your fighting against but the stupidity...for instance the scenario in the quote.
luck is clearly involved in poker imo.

     
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Posted by doomdy:
Skill only ----> 0% luck.


Luck only ----> 0% skill. Maybe i get a thumb up now.... Agree

     
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Posted by IslandJack:
If you see luck as a favourable statistical swing (which it is!), then luck definitely plays an important role in the game. I voted 50%.


If poker was 50% luck then half of the good poker players would still lose and half of the awful players would be winning. Poker is in fact very close to 100% skill. Yes there's an element of luck but I voted 0% luck cos it's much closer to that than 25%.

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Posted by Andriukassss:
ofcoure you need luck in poker for example u hawe in hand 10 J flop came there fell 9 A 8 that means u almost hawe street en to get street u need luck or im wrong explain for me haw u can get street with skill ill try it to then u just hawe to tell me haw u use skill to get street xD Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile


You need to learn about +/-ev. Of course you can't control the outcome of the cards but you're talking about a single hand. In poker a single hand is irrelevant. Skill in poker can only be demonstrated through several games. Luck is as Island Jack said only statistical swing, in which case it can be looked at with pure mathematics. Multiplied to infinity luck will balance out so you cannot blame luck in the long term. Certainly not 50% of the blame.
If you make the right decision based on maths, using simple probability, it doesn't matter if your card doesn't hit. Given a number of games making the right decision will prove to be positive financially.

I hope that I won't get rated down for this as doomdy was since it is after all my opinion and you shouldn't go silencing people just because you don't share that opinion. But I believe that poker has more proportional skill than football and lots of other games. Most things in life involve a bit of luck but you can't really make a career from luck alone. In football championships for example, the luck of the draw could be hugely influential as well as injuries, referee's decisions, weather conditions, personal problems, coin toss, momentum and the goal keeper jumping the wrong way. The best team doesn't always win.

Edited by awood88 (14 March 2010 @ 14:08 GMT)


     
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Posted by Flippedchips:
@ darthtony lol must be the guy who killed my Ks all in with j10 dirty dog u Big Smile


probabily is the same who beaten my Ks with 2 and 9 Big Smile

     
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I say it again, Poker is 75% skills and 25% luck.
Example 1: I had AA and went all-in and lost to a two pair. That is bad luck.
Example 2: I had pair 66 and want on tilt, my opponent had QQ, but on the river I got a 6. That is called very good luck.

     
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Posted by GIOMi6:
I say it again, Poker is 75% skills and 25% luck.
Example 1: I had AA and went all-in and lost to a two pair. That is bad luck.
Example 2: I had pair 66 and want on tilt, my opponent had QQ, but on the river I got a 6. That is called very good luck.


Now run these hands 10 million times Smile
Then there is 0% luck involved Smile

     
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by doomdy:
Skill only ----> 0% luck.


Luck only ----> 0% skill. Maybe i get a thumb up now.... Agree


No you wont...lol Big Smile

     
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25% poker is very much a skill game but lucks always help.

     
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Posted by darthtony:
Ok this is a stupid question , expecially here in this forum but i want to know how much count !

i've tried to think "poker is a psicological game ! poker is a skill game !" but every time i've QQ and i go all-in an the other with k2 goes all-in too and then he took a pair of k i can think only to the luck !

damned luck ! (and when you are that Donk .... Good God of luck Big Smile )

so what do you think about it ?


On Fulltilt and Pokerstars 75% luck, LOL just joking I thing luck is just important if you play not so big volume.

     
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it count a lot ! every damned 2 and 9 that beats me my jj Aww crap!

i hate them ! damned donks ! a straigh with luck ! Aww crap!

     
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