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Barry Greenstein's Warning: "Don't get cheated on the Open-Face Chinese app"

Tags: app, barry greenstein, cheating, ipad, iphone, open-faced Chinese poker, pokerstars.
Posted on 18 February 2013 by "T".

Open-Face Chinese poker has become very popular over the past 1-2 years or so. Barry Greenstein is relatively new to the game and recently played it online using a popular App for iPhone/iPad.

"I was told then by some people that many were playing Open-Face Chinese on an app that's available for iPhones and the iPad. So when I got home I downloaded the app, and I started playing just for fun against some people. You can even play against the app itself," Greenstein wrote on his latest blog.

But it didn't take long before he noticed something strange. Another player had challenged him to play $50/point and he accepted - even though he had heard from other players that the opponent might be better than he was. The match started and he beat him out of about 100 points. The other player then suggested that they should double the stakes. Barry, like most other poker players would have, accepted.

Now, however, the other playing started winning and getting saved on the river time after time.

"It seemed like after being in trouble he kept getting saved on the river over and over and over. Even though it was believable that he was a better player than I was, I decided I wanted to start keeping track of when he needed to get outs in these situations. When he had to get an out on the river to beat me, I wanted to see what his percentage was.
I started keeping track, and the next 14 times it came up, he hit seven times. Now that's not every time, but it was enough that after that I quit."

After Barry had left the game, he decided to call his nephew who's a programmer. His nephew downloaded the app and called back within 30 minutes. He informed Barry that it was very easy to manipulate the game and get yourself a huge advantage. In fact, it was even possible to view an opponent's cards in every session. However, he could not say for sure that Barry was a victim of cheating.

Barry Greenstein contacted the company behind the App after speaking to his nephew. He has been informed that their technicians are investigating the security of the program.

 


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16 comments for "Barry Greenstein''s Warning: "Don''t get cheated on the Open-Face Chinese app""

 3pokeronly18/02/2013 11:04:32 GMT
Holy S**t BG, what were you thinking playing via an Ipad/Iphone ap and instead wait for it to appear on a reputable site, good bail out tho.

Gl all BRMers

3P
 remco250418/02/2013 11:09:27 GMT
If one of us would tell this RIGGED story we would be blasted of this forum.
I mean this is the type of stuff the "rigged people" talk about all the time.
I mean he talks about getting f u cked on the river everyu time....classwic rigged story..only difference ...its Barry..
 djpremier18/02/2013 11:23:34 GMT
well I spotted another difference ... the program was flawed and easy to cheat ... I believe pokerstars is rigged when show me there's something wrong with the program
 manuste618/02/2013 11:25:34 GMT
its good to know cheers barry
 Fakiry18/02/2013 11:37:20 GMT
Wow. How can Barry Greenstein have a nephew that knows about programming and this guy, in half an hour, realizes that app's got lots of mistakes which allow people to use it in a non honest way? We're not talking about a programming pro, and he got those mistakes, that app should be full of mistakes for sure!
 remco250418/02/2013 11:40:50 GMT
Barry Greenstein = rigtard
 zeroster18/02/2013 13:17:22 GMT
Posted by remco2504:
If one of us would tell this RIGGED story we would be blasted of this forum.
I mean this is the type of stuff the "rigged people" talk about all the time.
I mean he talks about getting f u cked on the river everyu time....classwic rigged story..only difference ...its Barry..


Actually no. This is a shortened version of the story. If you read Greensein's blog on stars you'll see the full account.

Here's an extract:

"He said he could see all the cards and do whatever he wanted. I asked him if he could give me a demo, and we played a game and he sent me three kings on top, a flush in the middle, and a straight flush in the back. He explained that anyone who was a programmer or who had a friend who was a programmer could cheat me at the game, no problem."

"Using a proxy server, with the current version of the app, you can see all thirteen cards of yours and your opponents when each deal is begun. Most cheaters wouldn't spend the time to change the cards as my nephew did. They would know whether their flushes and full houses were going to come in, which allows them to play efficiently like normal Chinese poker."



Greenstein has at no point said it is rigged or that he has been cheated. He says he suspects he's been cheated and he has then gone on to show how this could be done.

A rigtard claims that it definitely is rigged but offers no evidence or method.

There's a world of difference.
 ayaraled18/02/2013 15:13:24 GMT
ipad poker...thats cool...only that the app can be cheated....poker is riggged????hahahaha....programmers know how to this poker soft and can they manipulate it anytime they want????
 leking118/02/2013 17:55:13 GMT
how can this be news, ofcourse yoo and cheat in an application if you a programer.. just like if you are skilled enough in programing¶hacking you can get the software og pokerstars to give you faouverable hands ect. nothing new in the sun in my opionen
 remco250419/02/2013 11:47:34 GMT
Posted by zeroster:
Posted by remco2504:
If one of us would tell this RIGGED story we would be blasted of this forum.
I mean this is the type of stuff the "rigged people" talk about all the time.
I mean he talks about getting f u cked on the river everyu time....classwic rigged story..only difference ...its Barry..


Actually no. This is a shortened version of the story. If you read Greensein's blog on stars you'll see the full account.

Here's an extract:

"He said he could see all the cards and do whatever he wanted. I asked him if he could give me a demo, and we played a game and he sent me three kings on top, a flush in the middle, and a straight flush in the back. He explained that anyone who was a programmer or who had a friend who was a programmer could cheat me at the game, no problem."

"Using a proxy server, with the current version of the app, you can see all thirteen cards of yours and your opponents when each deal is begun. Most cheaters wouldn't spend the time to change the cards as my nephew did. They would know whether their flushes and full houses were going to come in, which allows them to play efficiently like normal Chinese poker."



Greenstein has at no point said it is rigged or that he has been cheated. He says he suspects he's been cheated and he has then gone on to show how this could be done.

A rigtard claims that it definitely is rigged but offers no evidence or method.

There's a world of difference.


Well i didnt read the whole story on his blog ...this does make a difference

But the thing that every rigtard claims its definitely rigged is not true.
Most of the time they make thread with a question or a suspicion about it beeing rigged.
And then they get blasted most of the time for even sucjesting it.

Of course some people come here who have played 50 tourneys in their life and claim for sertain its rigged...those are the real tards in my opinion..
 zeroster19/02/2013 12:06:43 GMT
Posted by remco2504:

But the thing that every rigtard claims its definitely rigged is not true.
Most of the time they make thread with a question or a suspicion about it beeing rigged.
And then they get blasted most of the time for even sucjesting it.



Yeah fair point.
 Fakiry19/02/2013 14:29:39 GMT
Posted by zeroster:
Posted by remco2504:
If one of us would tell this RIGGED story we would be blasted of this forum.
I mean this is the type of stuff the "rigged people" talk about all the time.
I mean he talks about getting f u cked on the river everyu time....classwic rigged story..only difference ...its Barry..

Actually no. This is a shortened version of the story. If you read Greensein's blog on stars you'll see the full account.
Here's an extract:
"He said he could see all the cards and do whatever he wanted. I asked him if he could give me a demo, and we played a game and he sent me three kings on top, a flush in the middle, and a straight flush in the back. He explained that anyone who was a programmer or who had a friend who was a programmer could cheat me at the game, no problem."
"Using a proxy server, with the current version of the app, you can see all thirteen cards of yours and your opponents when each deal is begun. Most cheaters wouldn't spend the time to change the cards as my nephew did. They would know whether their flushes and full houses were going to come in, which allows them to play efficiently like normal Chinese poker."
Greenstein has at no point said it is rigged or that he has been cheated. He says he suspects he's been cheated and he has then gone on to show how this could be done.
A rigtard claims that it definitely is rigged but offers no evidence or method.
There's a world of difference.

It’s not just because of being Greenstein talking about it that is relevant, it’s because of his justification. It was good that he talked about this in public, this way he’s preventing the world online poker community from attacks from those who already knew about the weaknesses of the application but preferred to abuse of them while they could instead of telling the owner of the application about its problems.
 Macubaas19/02/2013 20:33:59 GMT
This happens when you decide to play poker on real money on a obscure poker app...

It's true that you can't find this variation of poker on the big sites but i guess you can live without him if you'll only lose on these obscure sites/apps!
 retribution20/02/2013 01:25:30 GMT
Wow, this sounds JUST like the stories the rigtards spew. "So I had pocket aces, I limped in to act weak and slow-played the flop and turn, only to have him suckout on the river". Followed by the ever popular "My cousin is a programmer and he said..." or the "My friend is a math teacher and he said...." blah blah blah.

I don't think he got ripped off, especially when he even said in his own words "he didn't hit every time". I'm really shocked and appalled that a pro would openly whine like this, especially over such small stakes compared to what they play for.
 Jibberish20/02/2013 06:08:03 GMT
do you come on here to vent out your frustration or something? NO ONE LIKES TO BE CHEATED. millionaire or not.

and actually if u go look at barry greensteins twitter he just posted he played the new version and now the data is encrypted so you dont gotta be a programmer to understand how easy it was to cheat before...
 Cliffem20/02/2013 15:33:36 GMT
Who plays big poker on an iphone?

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