Right after accusations flew from all over social media channels regarding a poker player cheating at a live cash game streamed at the Stones Gambling Hall in Citrus Heights, California, Joey Ingram took it upon himself to create an investigative video that put Mike Postle in the hot seat.
In a series of live-streamed cash games named ‘Stones Live' in California, while Ingram created the analysis video, he did not outwardly accuse Postle of cheating. However, feedback from viewers of his video as well as other poker players and fans on Reddit, 2+2 forum, Twitter and other social media sites have put both the player and venue under intense scrutiny. The topic was so hot that it prompted the venue itself, Stones Gambling Hall, to release a statement this Monday, September 30.
Earlier this year an accusation was made that a player was cheating in our game
We conducted a full investigation & found no evidence that any cheating had occurred
Stones Live stream remains a secure poker streaming platform
Mike Postle himself posted in Twitter to explain his side regarding the many accusations of him cheating that involved either winning while holding less-than-stronger hands or losing the minimum with a strong hand on the river.
There is so much I want to say and now so much that I am forced to say which involves gloating about my 16 year poker career. One that involves me being so successful everywhere I?ve played including online, that I?ve been accused of having an unfair advantage by a handful of 1/2
A plethora of hands in question from the Stones Live sessions have popped up on the highly popular 2+2 forum, with many active forum members writing out what they think after Postle's videos on some live cash games were made public.
Ingram's investigative video have put Postle into the spotlight that questions him whether he is an honest player or not.
Impromptu livestream - I will go over every single hand that @Mike_Postle played during a session on @StonesLivePoker to take a look at his entire play vs various hand histories that have been posted. I'll speed it up to move from hand to hand.https://t.co/gvhOjXmazx
Curious to see what the poker community is talking about ? Watch the hand where Mike Postle ("Apostle") went all-in preflop with 5-4 off-suit against two players who had A-K hands (one of them was Chris Moneymaker).
Here is the official video:
Is Postle really cheating? Or is he just an innocent victim whose reputation will be forever tarnished by social media?
Cheating in television games is easier to prove if the cameras filmed where needed. It's not a gentleman's gesture if this man cheated. He could receive a drastic sentence if this thing is proven. It just has to happen and we will see how it will be.
This is a weird situation here. It is not easy at all cheating in a game like this. And there is also an official announcement that after investigation there was no evidence of cheating. Something new to shake the poker world here Not a much of course with what ivey has done. Nothing tops that
Posted by Mober: Not a much of course with what ivey has done. Nothing tops that
Mober - you have a real dislike for Ivey.
I think Justin Bonomo, one of the currently most celebrated players, is a better "Mr. Evil" candidate.
I think the onus should have been on the casinos to be aware of the possibility of edge sorting and to instruct their dealers to deny a player's request to orient cards in a specific manner. They spend billions protecting their assets and they failed to identify this quite simple flaw, and pronounce it as illegal as card counting. He took advantage of the casinos failure to protect themselves.
Justin “ZeeJustin” Bonomo was banned on PartyPoker in 2006 after he won a tournament (with 6-digit score) entering it using six accounts at the same time. The winnings were, obviously, confiscated and it wasn’t the last time Bonomo get caught cheating. In the same year, PokerStars Manager announced on TwoPlusTwo that Justin was multi-accounting on their site as well.
His story became one of the most talked-about and heated dialogues to have ever taken place in the online poker community. There was a gigantic discussion on forum involving thousands of posts.
Soon, he became a player of Team Bodog. After his reputation started to grow, PokerStars decided to unban him in April 2009. His story became a hot topic on forums again, but the owners of major world’s poker room didn’t decide to change their decision.
if they dont bring any evidence that he was cheating,then he will probably sue them and will take big money for this!because you cant say that somebody made something wrong and cheat other players without evidence!in america you san sue for everything,so we will see what will happen after this!
I never saw anyone cheat but it can always happen or it happens and nobody realizes it, but doing when you play in a live event or tournament should be a shame, whether it did or not but the truth hurts me do this kind of thing and don't play fair
It's too much to watch if this player has a method of cheating. This will be analyzed by certain people and it will be specified if this man is guilty or not. After that we will see if it was a cheating and this man will be accused.
as I see here,only reason that they think that he cheated in this poker tournament,that he played hard with bad cards and fold with good cards!so they want to say that he knewt what other players had or some other help like this!but they will need much more then this,its strange to see situation like this!
Cheating is a bad thing in a gentleman's game... I remember that this game had this name and is not nice to proceed like this player. Now he has entered in the hand of the law. They will decide how Mike Postle will be punished.
Good guys, how are you? If I go around here again and see how everyone is walking and reading the comments of others, and I really do not like to see this kind of thing because who does not bother an honest player and not only here but in any field in which this ... but hey this can always happen anywhere
I think that cheating in this type of game would be next to impossible without any outside help, and it's not very likely that he did. My take on this is that he was simply lucky at times but combined with making really good reads in general. I really don't think that there was any cheating involved here.
Cheating in casinos happens very often but it is not proven. I mean at small casinos. Where it is not filmed with the camera, is very easy to cheat. In large casinos it's harder to cheat and here even if it was filmed, this player didn't really care about it. He cheated and now he will pay.
All these strange played hands , his bizarre behaviour/moves at the table , this incredible winrate and the profits he made in these sessions . Well if he's not a cheater , he is a poker God , a poker phenomeno , one of the best alive poker players in the world , lol . I would love seeing him playing so awesome poker elsewhere , in another casino rather than the Stones live cash games . lol . hahaha the graphic with Postle and potripper https://external-preview.redd.it/PyGaZkWEuviWMxhRPfgA8i...
This player Mike Postle made this casino to be avoided by some players and he will get a nasty ban. He will not enter a long time there and in other casinos he will not be able to cheat. I am curious to see what punishment he will receive.
I mean in a weird way he made this casino famous though. The advertising might not be positive for them but they are mentioned left and right during this case so at least achieved something very hard to do with little to no marketing budget.
this is to long video and I dont have time to wathc over 1 hours video and to see what they tell in him,so would be nice that somebody say in few words here what they talking about and who will sue whome! and bowie you are right,every advertising is good advertising,so they wil speak about them and that good for company!
The easiest way to stop cheating in live games is like those players who will be caught, to be restricted for life from live and online games. I don't think there will be anyone to try something like that, except for one who wants to become famous.
Posted by Theapple: i didnt really see anything odd on those videos :o
It's not like he is dealing out or something. He doesn't have an earpiece in so nobody is telling him what everybody had in their hands, he is just looking lucky and overall reading the room right.
To be honest I WAS WRONG. After elaborating on this issue on multiple outlets it does seem he is getting some kinda help. His phone usage, preferred place at the table, betting patterns and 3bet/call range is so unusual that the obvious reason for them has to be cheating. Very hard to prove it though. Very, very hard.
good to see such a sum of money makes me go crazy hahaha but good if they see benefit in selling it and investing that money is fine I think, I also see that they plan to expand and go to Japan so I see that there will also have good profits if they decide to put something there so lucky with it
Nothing serious will happen here if the restrictions will not be destructive for all persons who cheat in live or online games. People will always try to do these things. Professional poker players who are known around the world, do these things and others same. It's very sad.
Posted by Tony_MON7ANA: LOL some mofos don't know how to cheat. US$250,000 or is not a life changing amount of money so they were really desperate.
They would still doing it if not for those 'social media detectives' who were on this guy right from the beginning. Also if this would have happened in Nevada their gambling comission would investigate right away, but California is more laidback on issues like this it seems.
There was a strategy when he lost his hands or folded the nice cards in his hand. You can't win too many hands, because players would realize faster that you cheat and this is not good. This player thought well but was eventually caught and he will be judged by law.
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