Switch gears after random ammounts of hands, advanced bots use stats like your vpip%, it only uses your stats after it gathered 100+ hands. So, after 100 hands suddenly change to an opposite style, then change back after 50, then change after 150, etc. Be unpredictable in your gear changes, and make sure you develop at LEAST 2 TOTALLY different styles of play.
This also works for the multi table grinders who use straight forward tactics and pokertracker, they are cyborgs, part bot part human
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Posted by doomdy: Its 1 of the best thread in ages imo.
Anyway keep on posting in this thread, great thread
Absolutely agree, gave you a thumbs up. I haven't seen a thread that on Bankrollmob that has me THIS interested in ages. You have a chance to get information from somebody who was working at poker botting at a very high level, not some Schanky s**t. Regardless of your opinion of him this is an amazing chance to learn about something which is not exactly broadcasted.
What countries do you feel are in the top three in terms of operations producing poker bots?
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Posted by doomdy: @Retribution: First read then mouth else stfu.
Lol really?
I'd like to see why I'm being personally attacked, for merely pointing out that OP is attention whoring and potentially causing damage to the forums.
I mean unless people LIKE encouraging scum bags like this to keep up their botting b******t.
You don't think the online world has suffered enough bad press lately with all the scandals going on? Every bit of b******t like this idiot coming in and bragging just lends more negative press, not to mention it not only glamorizes, but encourages this sort of negative and immoral action to continue,
Say what you want, but anyone who bots is lower than the lowest scum. They are nothing but lazy, good for nothing crooks looking to rip off people trying to enjoy a game that SHOULD be free of this kind of s**t.
Please people, continue to give my posts negative ratings, when I'm just stating the obvious.
Let's see how fast this deteriorates into a flame way, and then opens the door to the rigtards coming in saying "I toldz you teh poker was riggedz". Seriously.
Anywhoo, reported thread, hopefully Admin will lock it up.
wow, you got some serious issues. Do you also think educating people about burglars so they can protect and secure their houses better is "bad hmmkay''
Im beginning to think you are an ACTIVE botter and dont want people to know these things, cant think of anything else. As to reporting this topic, by doing so you will merely be reporting yourself.
------------ by the way, all of a sudden all my posts got at least -1 rating, looks like the 'wrath' of retribution *insert star wars dark empire theme song
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@ retribution i think u r overreacting, no1 is attacking you but u are inviting people to do so with your posts.
i dont see how u are in different group than OP, when both use software to assist them
let me giv u a reality check here
normal poker player - makes player reads + makes decisions based on that info
you - decide to be lazy and use a software to make player reads + make decision based on that info
OP - decides to be lazy and use a software to make player reads + again decides to be lazy and use software to make decision based on that info
and above all unlike OP, u didnt code that software. you bought it from some1 who did.
all your excuses for using HUDs work for bots too, so u are in a similar boat. 1 bigger 1 smaller.
you are not a saint yourself, so stop being a moral police and stop judging others.
if you are not interested in this discussion, then dont open the thread many ppl are interested in gettin info about bots so they know its weaknesses better
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Retribution dont take this personal! You are respected member of this community and I know that you are enthusiastic about poker and real poker fan. I agree with you that boting is bad bad bad. But it happens. So its better for all to know against what we are playing.
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Haha seriously, accusing me of botting? That's freaking hilarious. Go back and read some of my posts. I put a lot of deep thought into poker. I play for the thrill of winning, and for the money. I win the genuine way. I'd never imagine lowering myself to botting. To me, that's no better than the con artists that prey on lonely seniors.
Lol. Yes I -1'd your posts. Get lost loser.
I fail to see how using a HUD is anything like using a bot.
A HUD provides information I gained from playing hands against that player. It "remembers" things for me and provides the information in an easy to read layout. It doesn't make my decisions, but merely gives me stats on which I can get a feel for the players tendencies.
A BOT is cheating. It's designed to play multiple tables at once, and basically play as close to perfect poker as possible. It doesn't get tired. It doesn't let an argument with it's girlfriend, or alcohol, or any other exterior factors affect it's play. In that sense alone it's cheating, as it entirely takes the human element out of poker. Sure a pro poker play SHOULD play like that, completely devoid of emotion, but they don't.
Also consider the fact bots can figure out complex math in a fraction of a second. It can easily figure out that calling someones spazz shove is mathematically correct to call, by even .001% profitability. No human can even come close to doing that.
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Just relax retribution, that you dont like this thread is ok, but imo (just check the positiv response) 99% of BRM people is enjoying this thread cos its very informativ and even maybe handy to know how/what a bot is doing/playing.
------------ Oooooh and closing this thread wud be very strange cos OP isnt encouraging botting right?
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retribution you said OP was just looking for attention but really its you seems to be looking for attention here. Noob has also made a good point that you use software which alot of people consider cheating too as he says and makes your over reaction to nothing more than a pretty interesting subject pretty stupid. Your bit about bots dont get tired ect can be said for people using huds, normal players dont have exact stats of everything that happens pre flop, flop turn and river because i human could not take all the information in. So get of your high horse and stop kidding on your the cape crusader for the poker community.
They tend to change the texture of the game for me. If there is one at my table I see myself up against two software programs: one (appairently) random/neutral and one hostile. For the hostile program I treat that as I would be playing against a maniac. I throw in as many check/raises as I can...the thing with bots is they'll call you down with high card just about every time. More often than not I've crippled afew of them, then, everyone else at the table attacks it and finishes it off.
I got 2 questions as I am new to the BRM forums, what is OP and IMO? I agree that this is an educational post, and avid real poker players should know. I cant count how many times I thought the sites were rigged, but this just opens the doors to changing my perspective on the sites and forwarding it to the players. I somewhat agree with retribution, a post like this is informational but at the same time it may spark the minds of others to possibly follow this botting route. When you hear the profit % its not hard to think in the back of your head that this may be something good. Which it damnwell isnt! I dont play for big bucks on here and most would say Im pure amatuer. None the less, good post. Leave retribution alone, hes only stating the opposing sides thoughts; its all about putting your feet in his shoes. When one might think its okay there maybe 10 that thinks different, to each their own....we have our own minds.
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Posted by jvd1986: @retribution HUDS are hooked up to a database that tracks and records every hand you and your opps play, no human can do this. Equity calculating software like pokerstove where you can fill in a handrange for each opponent based on pokertracker, is allowed. also not human...
You are fucking stupid. Seriously.
A) HUDS Are hooked up to a database? Well yes, but only your OWN database. It only uses stats from hands you personally are a part of. Whether it be folding pre, or going to showdown, yes it tracks the hand IF cards aren't mucked. If your opponent mucks, you don't magically get to see the cards, or anything of the sort.
Huds don't do anything erroneous. They don't data-mine hands you aren't in, nor do they provide any sort of information that wouldn't already be available to you if you were paying attention to what's going on. I never enter 1 single hand I wasn't at the table for. No does my HUD.
I play around 5-6 tables at a time when I'm playing. There's no possible way I can remember EVERY single action an opponent makes every single time at all those tables. There's just no possible way. That doesn't mean that information shouldn't be available. I paid to play the hand. That's my right. Why should I be at a disadvantage because I play more than 1 table? If I played only 1 table, I'd certainly be able to make much more informed decisions without aid of a HUD merely because I had much more focus on what was going on.
That's typical though, someone who's done something morally wrong will often attempt to justify it by any means neccessary, and that usually includes attack the person who questions their choices.
Justify this though - If using HUDS is the same as "botting", how come poker rooms allow HUDS but actively try and destroy botters? Hmmm? Can you answer that? No I didn't think so. I know 100% that if a poker room found a botter, that account would be instantly close/banned and all funds immediately seized. Whilst I can use my HUD knowing full well the poker room gives me the okay.
I'm not hurting anyone using a HUD. You however, are a detriment to the poker scene and steal from innocent players. Every time a botter/scammer/cheater is exposed, it gives online poker more of a bad name.
Think of it this way.Hundreds of people join the online poker scene every day. They've never played online before, and want to give it a try because they just watched an episode of poker after dark and thought it looked fun. So they fire up their browser, looking for a room, but instead come across a news article discussing the latest botter that was exposed. That person is now thinking twice about playing, and with good cause.
You can say "oh that's only 1 person, who cares" but 1 person here and there adds up. Also add in the existing players who decide to stop playing, because they don't like the idea of playing in an unbalanced field. It starts to add up, and before you know it, rooms have less players, less fish, and perhaps some of the smaller rooms can no longer compete because they don't have enough players and fold up.
Poker is already getting enough bad press, what with cheaters, colluders, and the whole Full Tilt debacle.
Try and justify it all you want. Attack me. Attack my family. Call me a cheat because I use a HUD. I don't give two shits what you think, because you are a worthless scumbag of a human being, who feels it's okay to cheat people out of money. And poker rooms will welcome players like me, who play honest. And abhor people like you, and want you gone for good.
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@ Retribution:
I have no clue why you keep on going like this while 99% of BRM users say your really of the limit. Please read back all you read then evaluate ect and then i really hope you have another conclusion, you simply misread the situation its the same as poker, look into your history and make the conclusion you did wrong and become a better player. Goodluck.
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Posted by jvd1986: you can feed the database with mined hands for 3thr parties (company's).
Or, you can exchange dbases with your friends,
etc etc,
Im done with you, and this thread. If the the mods/admins wont let this be a clean topic by removing retributions hate speeches. Its a waste of time.
hey man dont stop postin in this thread, just ignore retribution lol
@ retribution plz stop spoiling an interesting discussion just because you think what you do is right and what others do is wrong. you are showing you hav no respect for opinions of other members just because they dont match with urs this is a forum, all of the members are interested in this topic but you, if you are not interested, then dont get involved
and if u r gonna claim of being such a genuine poker player, first uninstall ur HUD and then play and even if u wanna use one - then instead of buying what some other guy made, make a software of your own. then maybe u hav the "right" to whatever stats it shows
